#88 Book Review: “Why Liberalism Failed” — Coach & Benway Podcast

We review and discuss Patrick Deneen’s “Why Liberalism Failed”. We’ll have an interview with Prof. Deneen up in the next episode.

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Comments

Crypto Conservative says:

Episode 88 about liberalism failing. What did they mean by this?

saintgauden says:

Here’s the ultimate reality: People and their societies are stupid. There ya go, so all their beliefs, theories and arguments are masturbatory material to make them feel “important” and powerful.

Alexander Vering says:

I find it so funny how people more and more discover these deep things, that I have disovered as a 19,20 year old, while reading my catholic literature, Davila, the old reactionaries like De Maistre, Bonald from France, Juan Donoso Cortez from Spain. Guys, you are missing out so much knowledge, so much wisdom. Read more literature from the classic anti-liberals from the 18th and 19th century. My personal red pill were the aphorisms of Nicolas Gomez Davila, an old aristocrat from Columbia. Another book that is more than eye opening is the Decline of the West by Oswald Spengler (I have read parts of it in german, I dont know the english name). That book is one of the most profound works ever.

keith montgomery says:

Are you even discussing Liberalism? Liberalism isn’t so much failing… as we’re not defending it from it’s enemies.

For over 200 years now, beginning in the 18thC, the increasing freedoms brought about through classical liberalism resulted in the greatest period of wealth and prosperity that humanity has ever known. My life and wealth are so much better than my parents’; their lives and wealth better than their parents’. And so on. Disease and ill-health being vanquished. Poverty declining worldwide. Scientific and technological achievements and advancement that our not-too-distant ancestors would have considered magical

But we don’t get it for free. TANSSAAFL, as the grandmaster wrote. If you want to keep liberty (and liberalism), you need to fight for it. Because, behind the thin veneer of liberal civilization lies the ugliness that is innate human nature.

We’re coasting now on the efforts and sacrifices of our ancestors… and liberty dies through neglect.

Justin Pliskowski says:

This would have been much easier if you defined “liberal” as in Liber-alis, “Free man.” Almost everyone, whether they know it or not is a classical liberal. Democrats or “Big L” Liberals are not liberals….they’re straight up communists and fascists. This is basically in a sense what you’re saying, it just shouldn’t have taken an hour to do it.

chucknorris202 says:

I think we should go back to and remodel our government on roman republicanism – which it was based on in the first place, NOT democracy, rule by the mob, which is exactly what the democrats want of course since they own the mob. And its frightful that these jackasses will do ANYTHING to avoid losing power/control of the mob, rather than ensure our peoples long term survival, its frightful that that ISNT a concern(AT ALL) for the left, it makes them my enemy.

Cycosillybilly says:

I hope you’re having a great break good sir!

TheShadow says:

If not already done, you should read Spiral Dynamics.

jaja smile says:

Jesse Livermore was the investor you could not remember . I agree just looking at all the Democratic cites , are now war zones . Give them more , give more , without showing you how , and be responsible for your actions .

Alexander Vering says:

Juan Donoso Cortez (early/mid 19th century member of spanish parliament, Maques de Valdegamas, supporter of monarchy and direct decendent of Hernan Cortez, conquistador of Mexico ): “Essays on Catholisism, Liberalism and Socialism” the answer to the question what is wrong with Liberalism. Democracy leads to Liberalism, Liberalis leads to socialsm. They are all interconnected. It will always be the vertical against the horizontal. Only the vertical structure of the world, can keep an order. I rather have an order with blood on its hands, than a chaos drowning in blood.Best wishes from Germany

Blomsternisse says:

You both lack a coherent definition of liberalism and as a result the whole discussion is committing the fallacy of ambiguity – classical liberalism and social democracy are constantly treated as though they are part of the same ideology. Incidentally this is the same mistake as with your discussion on ‘neo-liberalism’.

YOUtuBeCritic says:

Everybody taking the Same BULL PILL? It’s not about Left/right. It’s about the “Weak Right” bitching on YouTube about the NFL and NIKE, loving cops, the Matrix enforcers, then go get in debt with a bank buying houses and cars.

Steven Mulraney says:

10:45 signifiers of the thing

That’s basically how I describe left wing “intellectuals”. All the trappings without knowing anything.

Robert Esposito says:

Libralism was all an act to cause enough chaos to make Republicans bring church and state back together which is happening now and kavananah is key. Catholic reinstall to power.

Johnny Apple Seed says:

Liberalism is so arrogant that it thinks it is the only qualified fixer of all the problems it creates……Yet, it NEVER takes responsibility for any of those created problems..

Sargons wife's black daughter sheneqwa of akkad says:

JOIN THE LIBERALISTS !! They’re completely different muh step daddy told me.

Gary Oak says:

unrelated; coach i fucking hate you in all the right ways. brilliant man

Gordon Becker says:

Liberalism demands ever larger government & Control by the state resulting in less & less liberty. (The state decides, dictates & is responsible for everything). Eventually collapses in on itself. Not sustainable.

Conservatism demands small limited government with greater individualism and liberty (sustainable, but individual responsibility is required).

Vladz The Scholar says:

Thank you for this book recommendation! After reading it I realized how important culture really is to us and how individualism can be detrimental

Alon Gaiduk says:

Great podcast, coach. The book was very eye-opening. While living in the Ukraine, may be you can comment on Russia’s politics and Putin as a man, who tries to avoid the Western path of liberalism and preserve moral values in society? It could be a great video or at least podcast.

Theodore Grier says:

Can you reply back with the name of your intro song? Is that crystal castles?

André Hamman says:

This was great, love learning about this kind of stuff

Ccrruunnkk says:

Liberalism fails because it has no structure.

One who builds his foundations on sand soon succumbs to the will of the ocean.

J. D. Stembal says:

This topic calls to mind the quote, “When you get rid of the big rules, you then have a tyranny of tiny rules.”

Scias says:

You should debate Sargoy on this 😀

Basilica Hill says:

This was some great stuff. I actually listened to certain parts several times. As for the works of Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie, I am disappointed you did not mention that he is a leading light among French intellectuals regarding anti-marxist historiography. Also, students and the worthy poor can purchase his books (used, but good condition) online from Alibris. I saw a copy of Montaillou for $1.49. The only caveat is that the book has a $3.99 shipping/handling fee. Cordially, TM Merremont

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